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Eastern Europe, part 4, and next steps

Last batch of Eastern Europe:

  • Russia - 65 articles (including the Asia part). M - main arterial road (system extends to Central Asia), A - other arterial road (system extends to Central Asia), R - regional road, N - local road. A number of weird articles, such as this one at AFD now.
  • Armenia - only existing article is a list. A (motorway), M - main road, R - regional road
  • Azerbaijan - 6 articles. M - main road, R - regional road.
  • Turkey - 50 articles. O - Otoyol - motorway, D - national road, Provincial road - starts with 2 digit provincial code.
    • Will need to rename articles. It seems that the period is used as the separator between letter and number.
    • What do we do with the provincial roads for naming? [1]
  • Cyprus - 15 articles. A - motorway, B - main road, E - regional road, F - local road, D - routes in the Northern Cyprus portion (de facto part of Turkey).

As far as what to do after this: there is some interest in Zambia. One could argue that we should just import the rest of Africa, around 450 articles. I do have a few concerns about some of the countries - for example, Kenya and parts of Tanzania are written on the basis of random newspaper articles and not by numbered roads. There were a few other renumberings that the articles partly reflect that made a mess. Egypt is not worth importing at all [2]. Or we move on to Asia - I don't want to leave Japan (high quality) out too long. --Rschen7754 23:15, 17 August 2024 (EDT)

After Europe, I think we can move on to Africa, since there is an interested editor and not a terribly large amount of content to import. Then after that we should head over to Asia and start with Japan. Dough4872 23:35, 17 August 2024 (EDT)
I think we should import the rest of the former USSR (aka the 5 -stans in Central Asia) after this update, if only because it would complete all the countries on the E-road network. I'm not sure how much there is to import for those countries, though. TheCatalyst31 ReactionCreation 00:18, 18 August 2024 (EDT)
That is about 15 articles total. --Rschen7754 00:39, 18 August 2024 (EDT)
I'd say that getting the -stans in is an easy-enough thing then if only a dozen articles Si404 (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2024 (EDT)
I also agree we should do the former USSR -stan countries after Europe, in order to complete the countries on the E-road network, then move on to Africa and after that the rest of Asia. Dough4872 10:59, 18 August 2024 (EDT)

Azerbaijan

Should it be M1 (Azerbaijan) or M-1 (Azerbaijan)? Current article [3] --Rschen7754 18:01, 26 October 2024 (EDT)

Turkey

What about Otoyol 30? Motorway 30 (Turkey)? Or O.30 (Turkey)? --Rschen7754 21:22, 26 October 2024 (EDT)

For reference, we have D.915 (Turkey), but Provincial road 34-27 (Turkey) --Rschen7754 21:24, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
Is there any indication in Turkey that any Otoyol 30 is more prevalent than O.30? Regardless, whatever we decide with regards to Brazilian state disambiguators should also apply to Turkish provincial roads. –Fredddie 01:43, 27 October 2024 (EDT)
Go with O.30 - it's what's on the signs Si404 (talk) 03:29, 27 October 2024 (EDT)

State Highway 1 (New Zealand)

I'd like to propose splitting SH 1 (NZL) into two articles by island. All told, SH 1 is about 2000 km in length and the island segments are roughly 1000±50 km each. There is also List of major junctions on New Zealand State Highway 1, which by splitting the main article, I would merge this into the relevant pages. There is also the Category:State Highway 1 (New Zealand), to which I would be receptive to doing an Interstate 90 in Illinois style merger. –Fredddie 17:43, 15 October 2024 (EDT)

  • Okay. --Rschen7754 20:35, 15 October 2024 (EDT)
  • It seems to me that both spur routes would go to the North Island article. Also I presume that the original page will become a dab page. Markkos1992 (talk) 21:43, 15 October 2024 (EDT)
    • Yes that's the idea. I'd probably code Jct such that {{Jct|country=NZL|SH|1N}} would point to State Highway 1 (North Island) so we didn't necessarily have to use dab all the time. –Fredddie 22:24, 15 October 2024 (EDT)
Update, these are now at Draft:State Highway 1 (New Zealand), Draft:State Highway 1 (North Island), and Draft:State Highway 1 (South Island)Fredddie 18:42, 8 November 2024 (EST)

India

There has been some interest expressed in India. It is about 1200 articles. I think it should be fairly straightforward:

I think India is good to import next since there is an interested editor. For now, I say we import whatever exists on Wikipedia. Dough4872 00:12, 30 November 2024 (EST)

Philippines

Of the three countries remaining, the Philippines is the least complicated.

  • Expressways - move to Exx (Philippines)
  • N roads - primary are 2 digits, secondary are 3 digits
    • Many secondary routes existed under the name of the road; propose moving to Nxx (Philippines) like all the other N roads
  • Propose adding the circumferential and radial Manila roads.
  • There are tertiary roads that are nationally maintained, but unnumbered. Example: [4] Do we import these? --Rschen7754 02:22, 17 December 2024 (EST)
    • Last I knew, PHL road articles were a mess. A sizeable portion of them were named roads that have portions of numbered highways. I'll support anything that so long as it isn't all jumbled like on enwiki. –Fredddie 15:27, 17 December 2024 (EST)

Malaysia

Happy new year! We managed to import all but two countries in 2024, which was well beyond my expectations. Thanks to all who contributed to the efforts.

We're left with Malaysia and Australia. I think Malaysia is a bit easier since we can reuse some of the same methodologies, although it will be difficult. Sources used: [5] [6] (credit to NE2 for finding them)

  • Overall question: do we keep the junction lists or blank them and start over? They are far from compliant, and besides the obnoxious colors, many don't make a lot of sense (example: w:Malaysia Federal Route 77.
  • Import all expressways. Should we move to Exx (Malaysia) where there is a number? My only hesitation is w:North–South Expressway (Malaysia) which is split between E1 and E2, but there are subarticles. w:New Klang Valley Expressway is also E1.
  • Import all main and secondary federal roads from all states/territories (Sabah, Sarawak, Labuan, all peninsular states that are treated as one system)
    • Subarticles that only cover a portion of the route: import only if there is substantial content? Besides just a junction list (that is duplicated in the main article?)
    • There are 2 A road articles (former national road system) that are 1 sentence long, suggest they be skipped.
    • 250-499, 600-699 contain institutional roads (however, there are some routes in this range that are not institutional). Listify? In a listicle or a table?
    • The territory of Labuan uses 7xx for its federal routes, however some are <1km long. Import all regardless?
    • Articles not at Malaysia Federal Road x should be moved there
      • Disambiguation: a few states do use numbers in lower ranges for their own highways. Should we leave the peninsular articles without disambiguation and disambiguate the rest with the island name? Or disambiguate everything? And do we disambiguate just those lower numbers, or enforce the disambiguator on the 5xx, 7xx, 8xx range (where there are no conflicts) as well?
  • State highways: import all
    • They are given an alphanumeric number like A8 (for example). They should be moved to something reflecting the number. Would we consider this a federally managed system and disambiguate with (Malaysia), depending on the outcome of the above discussion? Or just do the state? And would it be A8 (disambiguator), or State State Route X?
  • Other: there are some unnumbered routes on the logs - import them? The rest should be on a case by case basis, wity city streets following that consensus.

Rschen7754 03:21, 1 January 2025 (EST)

I'm going to reply in order:
  • I agree with tossing the junction lists. They're more harmful than useful.
  • I would split the North–South Expressway and go by number
  • Agree with importing all federal roads
    • Import the subarticles to draft so we can merge them into relevant articles
    • Skip the A roads
    • Listicles for the institutional roads
    • Do the <1km roads connect to other federal routes? Could we move them to related route sections?
    • Federal Route x (Malaysia)?
      • Disambiguation becomes simpler this way
  • Agree
    • State Route x (State)?
  • Case by case works for me
I did create w:Draft:Federal routes in Johor (now deleted) that would need a REFUND. I was planning on doing them for every state, but it ended up being a lot for just Johor. All in all, I don't think Malaysia is really That Bad™, it's just disorganized, and removing the jct lists will improve the articles via subtraction. –Fredddie 11:45, 2 January 2025 (EST)
To clarify regarding the state highways, it's not always A - I believe it depends on the state. That's what I mean by federally managed. [7] is a link of the 700 series routes. --Rschen7754 14:03, 2 January 2025 (EST)

I will note that for the expressways, 10, 37, and 8 also have multiple articles. --Rschen7754 22:55, 9 January 2025 (EST)

Noting onwiki that I would prefer to keep the letter for the state highways somewhere in the name. --Rschen7754 20:15, 15 January 2025 (EST)

Potential Missed Imports

Putting here for now since I am unsure if all federal highways have been imported. If so, I am fine with moving these to AARoads:Cleanup as normal. Markkos1992 (talk) 09:37, 9 January 2025 (EST)

Some of these have been imported into Draft status. Markkos1992 (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2025 (EST) ‏

Done Imports

Imports in Draft Space