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Eastern Europe, part 4, and next steps
Last batch of Eastern Europe:
- Russia - 65 articles (including the Asia part). M - main arterial road (system extends to Central Asia), A - other arterial road (system extends to Central Asia), R - regional road, N - local road. A number of weird articles, such as this one at AFD now.
- Armenia - only existing article is a list. A (motorway), M - main road, R - regional road
- Azerbaijan - 6 articles. M - main road, R - regional road.
- Turkey - 50 articles. O - Otoyol - motorway, D - national road, Provincial road - starts with 2 digit provincial code.
- Will need to rename articles. It seems that the period is used as the separator between letter and number.
- What do we do with the provincial roads for naming? [1]
- Cyprus - 15 articles. A - motorway, B - main road, E - regional road, F - local road, D - routes in the Northern Cyprus portion (de facto part of Turkey).
As far as what to do after this: there is some interest in Zambia. One could argue that we should just import the rest of Africa, around 450 articles. I do have a few concerns about some of the countries - for example, Kenya and parts of Tanzania are written on the basis of random newspaper articles and not by numbered roads. There were a few other renumberings that the articles partly reflect that made a mess. Egypt is not worth importing at all [2]. Or we move on to Asia - I don't want to leave Japan (high quality) out too long. --Rschen7754 23:15, 17 August 2024 (EDT)
- After Europe, I think we can move on to Africa, since there is an interested editor and not a terribly large amount of content to import. Then after that we should head over to Asia and start with Japan. Dough4872 23:35, 17 August 2024 (EDT)
- I think we should import the rest of the former USSR (aka the 5 -stans in Central Asia) after this update, if only because it would complete all the countries on the E-road network. I'm not sure how much there is to import for those countries, though. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 00:18, 18 August 2024 (EDT)
Azerbaijan
Should it be M1 (Azerbaijan) or M-1 (Azerbaijan)? Current article [3] --Rschen7754 18:01, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
Turkey
What about Otoyol 30? Motorway 30 (Turkey)? Or O.30 (Turkey)? --Rschen7754 21:22, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
- For reference, we have D.915 (Turkey), but Provincial road 34-27 (Turkey) --Rschen7754 21:24, 26 October 2024 (EDT)
- Is there any indication in Turkey that any Otoyol 30 is more prevalent than O.30? Regardless, whatever we decide with regards to Brazilian state disambiguators should also apply to Turkish provincial roads. –Fredddie™ 01:43, 27 October 2024 (EDT)
- Go with O.30 - it's what's on the signs Si404 (talk) 03:29, 27 October 2024 (EDT)
State Highway 1 (New Zealand)
I'd like to propose splitting SH 1 (NZL) into two articles by island. All told, SH 1 is about 2000 km in length and the island segments are roughly 1000±50 km each. There is also List of major junctions on New Zealand State Highway 1, which by splitting the main article, I would merge this into the relevant pages. There is also the Category:State Highway 1 (New Zealand), to which I would be receptive to doing an Interstate 90 in Illinois style merger. –Fredddie™ 17:43, 15 October 2024 (EDT)
- Okay. --Rschen7754 20:35, 15 October 2024 (EDT)
- It seems to me that both spur routes would go to the North Island article. Also I presume that the original page will become a dab page. Markkos1992 (talk) 21:43, 15 October 2024 (EDT)
- Yes that's the idea. I'd probably code Jct such that
{{Jct|country=NZL|SH|1N}}
would point to State Highway 1 (North Island) so we didn't necessarily have to use dab all the time. –Fredddie™ 22:24, 15 October 2024 (EDT)
- Yes that's the idea. I'd probably code Jct such that
- Update, these are now at Draft:State Highway 1 (New Zealand), Draft:State Highway 1 (North Island), and Draft:State Highway 1 (South Island) –Fredddie™ 18:42, 8 November 2024 (EST)
India
There has been some interest expressed in India. It is about 1200 articles. I think it should be fairly straightforward:
- National highways, expressways, state highways
- Do we import or otherwise try to clean up List of national highways in India by state (old numbering)?
- There are a lot of planned or future roads. Do we try and filter through these? Examples: Kochi–Theni Greenfield Highway, Aroor–Thuravoor Elevated Highway. --Rschen7754 16:22, 29 November 2024 (EST)
- I think India is good to import next since there is an interested editor. For now, I say we import whatever exists on Wikipedia. Dough4872 00:12, 30 November 2024 (EST)
Philippines
Of the three countries remaining, the Philippines is the least complicated.
- Expressways - move to Exx (Philippines)
- N roads - primary are 2 digits, secondary are 3 digits
- Many secondary routes existed under the name of the road; propose moving to Nxx (Philippines) like all the other N roads
- Propose adding the circumferential and radial Manila roads.
- There are tertiary roads that are nationally maintained, but unnumbered. Example: [4] Do we import these? --Rschen7754 02:22, 17 December 2024 (EST)
Malaysia
Happy new year! We managed to import all but two countries in 2024, which was well beyond my expectations. Thanks to all who contributed to the efforts.
We're left with Malaysia and Australia. I think Malaysia is a bit easier since we can reuse some of the same methodologies, although it will be difficult. Sources used: [5] [6] (credit to NE2 for finding them)
- Overall question: do we keep the junction lists or blank them and start over? They are far from compliant, and besides the obnoxious colors, many don't make a lot of sense (example: w:Malaysia Federal Route 77.
- Import all expressways. Should we move to Exx (Malaysia) where there is a number? My only hesitation is w:North–South Expressway (Malaysia) which is split between E1 and E2, but there are subarticles. w:New Klang Valley Expressway is also E1.
- Import all main and secondary federal roads from all states/territories (Sabah, Sarawak, Labuan, all peninsular states that are treated as one system)
- Subarticles that only cover a portion of the route: import only if there is substantial content? Besides just a junction list (that is duplicated in the main article?)
- There are 2 A road articles (former national road system) that are 1 sentence long, suggest they be skipped.
- 250-499, 600-699 contain institutional roads (however, there are some routes in this range that are not institutional). Listify? In a listicle or a table?
- The territory of Labuan uses 7xx for its federal routes, however some are <1km long. Import all regardless?
- Articles not at Malaysia Federal Road x should be moved there
- Disambiguation: a few states do use numbers in lower ranges for their own highways. Should we leave the peninsular articles without disambiguation and disambiguate the rest with the island name? Or disambiguate everything? And do we disambiguate just those lower numbers, or enforce the disambiguator on the 5xx, 7xx, 8xx range (where there are no conflicts) as well?
- State highways: import all
- They are given an alphanumeric number like A8 (for example). They should be moved to something reflecting the number. Would we consider this a federally managed system and disambiguate with (Malaysia), depending on the outcome of the above discussion? Or just do the state? And would it be A8 (disambiguator), or State State Route X?
- Other: there are some unnumbered routes on the logs - import them? The rest should be on a case by case basis, wity city streets following that consensus.
Rschen7754 03:21, 1 January 2025 (EST)
- I'm going to reply in order:
- I agree with tossing the junction lists. They're more harmful than useful.
- I would split the North–South Expressway and go by number
- Agree with importing all federal roads
- Import the subarticles to draft so we can merge them into relevant articles
- Skip the A roads
- Listicles for the institutional roads
- Do the <1km roads connect to other federal routes? Could we move them to related route sections?
- Federal Route x (Malaysia)?
- Disambiguation becomes simpler this way
- Agree
- State Route x (State)?
- Case by case works for me
- I did create w:Draft:Federal routes in Johor (now deleted) that would need a REFUND. I was planning on doing them for every state, but it ended up being a lot for just Johor. All in all, I don't think Malaysia is really That Bad™, it's just disorganized, and removing the jct lists will improve the articles via subtraction. –Fredddie™ 11:45, 2 January 2025 (EST)
I will note that for the expressways, 10, 37, and 8 also have multiple articles. --Rschen7754 22:55, 9 January 2025 (EST)
Noting onwiki that I would prefer to keep the letter for the state highways somewhere in the name. --Rschen7754 20:15, 15 January 2025 (EST)
Potential Missed Imports
Putting here for now since I am unsure if all federal highways have been imported. If so, I am fine with moving these to AARoads:Cleanup as normal. Markkos1992 (talk) 09:37, 9 January 2025 (EST)
Some of these have been imported into Draft status. Markkos1992 (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2025 (EST)
Done Imports
- AMJ Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 5 (Malaysia) and Federal Route 19 (Malaysia). Redirect for Lebuh AMJ. Markkos1992 (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Ayer Keroh Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 143 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 09:37, 9 January 2025 (EST)
- Bukit Jalil Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 217 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 13:38, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Butterworth–Seberang Jaya Toll Road (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 4 (Malaysia) Markkos1992 (talk) 19:46, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Cheras Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 1 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 18:10, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- East–West Highway (Malaysia) (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 4 (Malaysia). Redirect for East-West Highway (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:27, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Federal Highway (Malaysia) (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 2 (Malaysia). Redirect for Federal Highway, Malaysia. Markkos1992 (talk) 19:16, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Gebeng Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 101 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Genting Klang–Pahang Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 2 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Ipoh–Lumut Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 5 (Malaysia). Redirect for Ipoh-Lumut Highway. 14:44, 13 January 2025 (EST)Markkos1992 (talk)
- Ipoh North–Ipoh South Local Express Lane (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 239 (Malaysia) and Federal Route 240 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 18:58, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Iskandar Coastal Highway (enwiki) Partly Federal Route 52 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Klang Lama (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 2 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 15:19, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan KLIA 1 (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 182 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Sungai Lembing (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 231 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:03, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Sungai Ujong (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 241 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 13:56, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Syed Abdul Aziz (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 192 (Malaysia). Redirect for Jalan Syed Abdullah Aziz. Markkos1992 (talk) 13:56, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Syed Putra (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 2 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 09:43, 17 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Tanjung Sedili (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 212 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 13:50, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Tengku Muhamad (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 227 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 13:49, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jerangau–Jabor Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 14 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 18:31, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Johor Bahru–Kota Tinggi Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 3 (Malaysia)/AH18 (Asia). Redirect for Tebrau Highway. Markkos1992 (talk) 17:04, 9 January 2025 (EST)
- Johor Bahru Inner Ring Road (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 188 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:29, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Kangar Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 186 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 13:08, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Kemaman Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 145 (Malaysia) and Covers Federal Route 146 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 16:52, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Kempas Highway (enwiki) Is State Route J3 (Johor). Markkos1992 (talk) 16:51, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- KLIA Outer Ring Road (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 27 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 13:15, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Kota Bharu–Kuala Krai Expressway (enwiki) Seems to be part of Federal Route 34 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 20:27, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Kuching Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 801 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 10:11, 9 January 2025 (EST)
- Kuala Lumpur–Rawang Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 1 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:06, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Kuala Lumpur Middle Ring Road 2 (enwiki) Mostly Federal Route 28 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 20:23, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Labohan Dagang–Nilai Route (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 32 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 08:53, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Langkawi Ring Road (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 112 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 20:25, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- LISRAM Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 166 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Lumut Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 100 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 12:17, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Mentakab–Temerloh Bypass (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 2 (Malaysia). Redirect for Mentakab-Temerloh Bypass Markkos1992 (talk) 11:12, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Muar Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 224 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:21, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- North–South Port Link (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 180 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 13:11, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Northport Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 103 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 23:04, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- North Klang Straits Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 20 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:23, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Pan-Borneo Highway (enwiki) Covers AH150 (Asia). Markkos1992 (talk) 22:19, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Paroi–Senawang–KLIA–Salak Tinggi Expressway (enwiki) Redirect for Paroi–Senawang–KLIA Expressway. Markkos1992 (talk) 13:03, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Permas Jaya-Pasir Gudang Road (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 35 (Malaysia). Redirect for Johor Bahru East Coast Highway. Markkos1992 (talk) 18:18, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Persiaran Jubli Emas (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 179 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 12:37, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Persiaran Senawang 1 (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 242 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 21:19, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Putrajaya–Cyberjaya Expressway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 29 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- Rawang Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 37 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 22:09, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Senai Airport Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 16 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:11, 13 January 2025 (EST)
- SPA Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 33 (Malaysia). Redirect for Lebuh SPA. Markkos1992 (talk) 15:43, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Sultanah Bahiyah Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 255 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 20:24, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Sungai Buloh Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 54 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 20:22, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Tanjung Lumpur Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 183 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:49, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Tun Dr Lim Chong Eu Expressway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3113 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 18:35, 13 January 2025 (EST)
Imports in Draft Space
- Bidor Bypass (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 321 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 20:09, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Dinding Bypass (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 60 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:35, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Gambang–Kuantan Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 2 (Malaysia). Redirect for Gambang-Kuantan Highway. Markkos1992 (talk) 19:10, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Balakong (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3211 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Gunung Brinchang (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 432 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 16:29, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Kawasan Perindustrian Gebeng (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3485 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 16:00, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Kompleks CIQ Bukit Bunga (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 480 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:56, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Kuching–Serian (enwiki) Part of AH150 (Asia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:49, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Kulim Hi-Tech (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3053 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:32, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Lingkaran Pulau Indah (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 347 (Malaysia). Redirect for Persiaran Pulau Lumut. Markkos1992 (talk) 12:42, 15 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Perusahaan Perai (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3112 (Malaysia). Redirect for Jalan Perusahan Perai. Markkos1992 (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Semambu (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3486 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:05, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Seri Kembangan (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3215 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 19:16, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Subang–Batu Tiga (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3214 (Malaysia). Redirect for Jalan Subang-Batu Tiga. Markkos1992 (talk) 18:17, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Tengku Mizan (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 65 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Jalan Tun Dr Awang (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 231 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- KLIA East Road (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 344 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 17:56, 12 January 2025 (EST)
- Kota Tinggi Bypass (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 3 (Malaysia)/AH18 (Asia). Markkos1992 (talk) 14:13, 9 January 2025 (EST)
- Kulaijaya-NSE Highway (enwiki) Part of Federal Route 399 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 12:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
- Malaysia Federal Route 1283 Moves to Federal Highway 1283 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 12:49, 15 January 2025 (EST)
- Malaysia Federal Route 3685 Moves to Federal Highway 3685 (Malaysia). (enwiki) Redirect for Jalan Tengku Ampuan Intan Zaharah. Markkos1992 (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2025 (EST)
- Persiaran Kerjaya, Glenmarie (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3213 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 06:50, 17 January 2025 (EST)
- Roads in Fraser's Hill (enwiki) Covers former Federal Route 422 (Malaysia). Markkos1992 (talk) 06:29, 17 January 2025 (EST)
- Shah Alam–Puchong Highway (enwiki) Covers Federal Route 3214 (Malaysia). 14:11, 13 January 2025 (EST)Markkos1992 (talk)